is lynne hybels still married to bill

Put a frog in a pot,with boiling water and the frog knows to jump out, but if the water is a slow boil, the frog with stay and finally be boiled. But then . i can not think of any good reason the pastor would want that! . They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. There are too many similarities between their stories. Without gossip and people looking out, anyone who has been hurt by church/leadership will simply be driven out, and the whole thing covered up. I think the rule of thumb is that for every person who complains, there are 15-20 more that dont just because of the hassle and expectation nothing will change. @ okrapod: Frankly, I think people went to great lengths to protect Hybels including the women he groomed and hit on. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. Not physical tally sheets, but during my time in-country there sure were MENTAL tally sheets used for the One-Upmanship Game. @ Davis and Natasha: Willow is no exception. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. I would assume these claims are multi million. And everyone wants to work there. They have much easier prey in a church setting, as the sheep expect the shepherds to be godly, trustworthy and above such things as looking to get laid. So much! I dont know that I qualify in your estimation as a person of substance, but Ive been a reader/commenter on this blog for 10 years and have seen Law Profs post for a number of years and know some of his background. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. The question is why? But, I seriously doubt your using scripture as a club will shame, convince or condemn many here. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. But please dont discard their testimony for the reasons you gave. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. I believe the accusers in this case especially since you corroborate that they knew the difference in a hug and a hug. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey.. We are all sinners and we all fail. In the meantime, Crossway is still publishing and selling C.J. @ okrapod: But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. not for this long. Im probably talking to the air, though, because hit-and-run scolds like you seldom have the courage to come back. No one walks away unascathed. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. You bet it will get nasty.. Such a horror of more revictimization. Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. Read the Bible Dee. Its hard to tell what I havent read. It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. Watch and youll see it some day! predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. Will the clay say to the potter, What are you doing? Or the thing you are making say, He has no hands ? Isaiah 45:9. We have not seen courageous leadership. Right. It doesnt matter what they were wearing, what they were drinking, etc. I hope so. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. Pulling the of the devil card is vintage playbook. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. When will people get it that the church is not the same thing as the body of Christ. Hee hee. According to another account, Hybels allegedly engaged in oral sex with his former assistant. That isnt good for anyone. I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. and this they do with great skill. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bills wife was made aware of the situation. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! And ironically, asking that question is why. Second guessing somebodys way of dealing with their own spouse is usually really wrong. We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? They often wonder, Did that really just happen? What really just happened? Am I interpreting that correctly? How should I interpret it? etc., etc.. Willow Creek needs Jesus and they need to let Him be in control. 4:10-11 ESV), For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Please bear with me. Ive been a christian for many years so I take offense to your allegations. He describes how the skilled offender plans the way he will abuse the woman from day one. If that were odd then I would change, but like I said that is just how we do. There is a small but growing movement among evangelicals against unique friendship for Israel, embodied by the recent "Impact Holy Land" conference hosted by Evangelicals for Social Action in Philadelphia. This is a well worn story, insert Pastor name here, insert church name here. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. But it is even harder when those left behind form a militia to hunt down and fire at anyone who dares to question the paradigm. Gregory of Nyssa was about as Orthodox as one can get, and yet he was also about as universalist as one can get. It would take only one cracker to spill all that confidential information to the world (or one thief of the pastors unencrypted computer). How does one explain it? It was alleged in an article of 'Chicago Tribune.' Further, the Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today too reported allegations about his misconduct. But I have not noticed any hugging at the hospital or at any doctors or dentists office. if one has enough of those there seems to be a scale to weigh behaviors against. Of course not. Honest to Pete until this very discussion I thought that this was just the way that decent people behave. He describes how skilled offenders select, set up, groom, offend against, re-groom and then re-offend against the woman/women they target. This makes my blood boil. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. Weve both been busy with writing projects and many other things. Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. A hint here, a casual comment there, Twenty Chess Moves in Advance. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. My only (small) hang-up is that the authors, Bill and Lynne Hybels, use examples and stories that are probably pretty dated for 22-28 year-olds getting married nowadays. I know this sounds harsh but its notbecause I am guilty, too. Not my thing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. In Megas there are layers upon layers of protective bubble wrap for guys like Hybels. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? We got in deep, and had a very tough time when we got out. Ok. Bars Hennessey series is excellent. I think people are starting to realize that even if someone starts out with good intentions, when they get power and money, they tend to be corrupted. I think the *Ambien* excuse is important in this account. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. Wondering if the old frog in the pot was happening at the church, including John Ortberg. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.. 1. Love That Lasts book. As with many couples, there were times we couldn't imagine making it through another year, let alone another decade or two. - (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? It was humbling for you, but there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. This morning, Nancy Ortberg posted Flawed Process, Wounded Women on her website. B wrote: Association of Related Churches Ive been silently wondering the same. @ Julie: Exactly. Reminds me of Bill Gothard and how he gromms and re-grooms his victims too. Many years back Hybels started up the World Leadership Conferences which in reality means World Domination Conferences. This is RUSSIAN Bureaucratic tradition, centered on Plausible Deniability: We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. I appreciate my bosses wisdom. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. We know about this link. Sometime in the next two weeks, I am going to write a story about a woman who was raped by her husband. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? Years ago, as a 23 yr. old a classroom assistant for a public high school in southern cali my boss wisely told me 1. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. Thats how they get by with it. Oh well. No longer have their careers as a result of their actions I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . Just to preface: I am a nobody and not a perfect saint. I hope its okay to post. (Usually seeker Megas go with you are just human and made mistakes and not you are a worm so its to be expected. @ dee: @ April Kasper: That should be shut down with extreme prejudicepun definitely intended. Very often, as you point out, in times of crisis, people respond in ways that reveal. I do not believe we can judge what is in the heart of people. Or been involved with the thought reform in a social justice Warrior Church. Our job is to sow seeds. So, what led to the divorce? havent forgotten. The one about J. Ortberg? Do you want to know about Bill Hybels. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. Well said, Betty! Millions of dollars all. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. I do not believe Jesus would have ever behaved the way you and John are acting. These people are the living proof. My answer is quite simple. The entire Gospel is predicated on the fact that we are sinners and that we are going to be sinners until we go home.

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